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She punched him in the face. He sought to have her committed. Together, they explored life\u2019s extremes and made some of the most audacious rock\u2019n\u2019roll of their era. In 2019, after years apart, Royal Trux were back \u2013 toting an extraordinary new album with a provocative title \u2013 but would their d\u00e9tente even outlast this interview? \u201cOur thing is psycho complicated,\u201d they assure Andrew Perry.<\/p>\n
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Keep on Trux-ing: Neil Hagerty and Jennifer Herrema\u00a0<\/p>\n
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EIGHTEEN YEARS SINCE\u00a0their combustible alliance blew apart in seemingly irrevocable acrimony, Jennifer Herrema and Neil Hagerty \u2013 former junkies; ex-spouses; the once (and, who knows, future?) queen and king of in extremis rock\u2019n\u2019roll \u2013 are sitting together in the bar of the Grafton Hotel on Los Angeles\u2019s Sunset Strip. Against all odds, overcoming years of mutual alienation and mistrust, they\u2019ve made a new Royal Trux album. If Herrema has her way and the pair can stop fighting over it for two minutes, it will be called White Stuff.<\/p>\n
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\u201cCome on, man, don\u2019t screw around,\u201d snipes Hagerty angrily at Herrema, scratching at his shaggy salt-and-pepper beard, \u201cit\u2019s called Championship Pizza!\u201d<\/p>\n
\u201cBut I\u2019ve worked so hard on the artwork,\u201d counters Herrema from beneath her golden-blonde mane.<\/p>\n
\u201cIt can\u2019t be called that,\u201d Hagerty quickly fires back, \u201cor I\u2019m not having anything to do with it. It\u2019s like Exile On Main St. being called Abscess.\u201d<\/p>\n
As the argument lurches tetchily onwards, we learn that Hagerty and Herrema haven\u2019t communicated at all in the five months between him walking out of album sessions three days early, and him walking into the Grafton a few minutes ago. It\u2019s excruciating to witness the disconnect between them \u2013 Hagerty, the OCD guitar genius who rarely makes eye contact, and Herrema, the rock lifer with stellar magnetism and, to Hagerty\u2019s mind, control-freak tendencies. Eventually, Hagerty storms out, and it really does look as if Royal Trux have split up, again, before our very eyes. Soon, MOJO is padding up and down the Strip, communicating separately with both parties, attempting to patch them back together \u2013 long enough, at least, to conduct our photo shoot.<\/p>\n
It\u2019s all quite alarming, but surprising? Not really. In the \u201990s, when they bent classic rock\u2019n\u2019roll into queasy yet seductive new shapes, Royal Trux specialised in self-sabotage, landing a major label deal only to taunt their paymasters with out-there albums in unmarketable sleeves. The group\u2019s volatile central couple, who cohabited for 15 years, eventually fell apart when Herrema breached a shared commitment to rehab, the end point of the antagonism immortalised in the title of their 1993 magnum opus Cats And Dogs. And now?<\/p>\n
\u201cEverything in the Truxian universe remains the same,\u201d beams Herrema in the Grafton bar, defiantly chugging a beer.<\/p>\n
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JENNIFER HERREMA FIRST set eyes on Neil Hagerty one night in early 1985, as he played on-stage with his band Jet Boys Of North West, in the Adams Morgan district of Washington DC. She was just 15, he two or three years older, and already a college drop-out.<\/p>\n
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\u201cI\u2019d been going to see hardcore bands like Bad Brains,\u201d she fondly recalls, \u201cbut when I saw Neil play, I was like, \u2018This is the single best musician I\u2019ve ever seen in my life.\u2019 I\u2019d heard girls that hung around him got their hair burnt off, and such.\u201d<\/p>\n
But, of course, she dated him anyway, and they soon bonded over unreconstructed heavy rock like Van Halen and the Scorpions, as much as DC\u2019s prevailing Minor Threat-style punk. Two wayward kids on a collision course, they shared something darker, as there was a history of alcoholism in both their families, and they were both hardened drinkers by their teens.<\/p>\n
Hagerty had tasted stronger stuff, too, while his military father was posted in Europe. \u201cI did heroin when I was like, 12,\u201d he says. \u201cWe\u2019d go into Brussels to see concerts, and my friend\u2019s older brothers would have a little hashish mixed with opium, like Black Sabbath used to smoke. We\u2019d be throwing up all over the place.\u201d<\/p>\n
When Herrema was 14, her first boyfriend died from an overdose. \u201cWe know a lotta people that died,\u201d summarises Hagerty, drily adding, \u201cthat was our thing, junkies as entertainment.\u201d<\/p>\n
They\u2019d already started making music together when Hagerty was offered a gig in DC\u2019s garage-noise unit, Pussy Galore, who were fronted by a pre-Blues Explosion Jon Spencer. That band\u2019s big plan was to move to New York to be a part of the scene burgeoning around Sonic Youth. So, when Herrema was offered a college scholarship in the Big Apple starting in autumn \u201986, they moved there, living together, after a fashion, with Hagerty sneaking into her female dorm at the YMCA every night.<\/p>\n
\u201cNeil was very creative, as a guitarist,\u201d says Spencer today. \u201cWild.\u00a0Fearless. A real\u00a0force. He was in and out of Pussy Galore at least three times. I can\u2019t remember when heroin addiction started, but there was always dabbling, and with a lot of different substances. We were all pretty mixed up, lacking in communication skills, and quite volatile. Some time while making [1987\u2019s] Right Now, Neil announced that he wanted to be called Royal Trux from then on. Neil and Jennifer were writing and making home recordings, and at some point Royal Trux morphed into the band.\u201d<\/p>\n
The increasingly drug-dependent duo relocated to the more affordable environs of San Francisco, and there they plunged into a pit of junkiedom luridly documented on their second long-player, 1990\u2019s Twin Infinitives \u2013 an unfathomable space-rock double-album, rife with Funkadelic-style improv, Moog weirdness and all-eclipsing claustrophobia.<\/p>\n
\u201cIt wasn\u2019t particularly an anti-social record,\u201d says Herrema. \u201cWe were just fucking wasted. I was dancing, stripping, everything, because I had to take care of Neil\u2019s habit as well. It\u2019s always easier for the female to scrape up money, and part of me still resents the fact he allowed that to happen. (Deep breath) Our thing is psycho complicated.\u201d<\/p>\n
\u201cShe knows I was totally against it,\u201d Hagerty maintains. \u201cI was like, \u2018It\u2019ll change everything\u2019, but she was adamant.\u201d<\/p>\n
Neither Herrema nor Hagerty is timid in divulging the gory details of their addiction. For Herrema, these included cohabiting with a dealer, hospitalisation with blood poisoning, and spells in sheltered accommodation, because her father\u2019s alcoholism disqualified her from returning home. For her partner, there was living on the streets, an escalating crack problem, and an intervention prompted by Drag City, the label who\u2019d released Twin Infinitives.<\/p>\n
Hagerty got clean first, and though he apparently cut a solo acoustic version of what became the self-titled third Royal Trux album, he couldn\u2019t pursue it without Herrema. \u201cI owed her everything up to then,\u201d he reasons. \u201cShe helped me so much.\u201d<\/p>\n
Herrema would complete rehab on the fourth attempt, and, with no fixed abode, Royal Trux hit the road, acquiring supplementary members variously in Florida and Kansas. Everything snapped into a uniquely strange focus on Cats And Dogs, where Herrema\u2019s throaty yowl and Hagerty\u2019s reedy sneer united in a kind of out-of-whack double-tracking, and where Stones-y raunch was leavened by cosmic otherness. \u201cThe fucked-upness in the music,\u201d states Herrema, \u201cwas never about the drugs.\u201d<\/p>\n
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ROYAL TRUX STOOD\u00a0apart from most American alt rock, post-Nevermind. Yet, their fortunes rose.<\/p>\n
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\u201cSonic Youth had us open for them, and we got on Lollapalooza,\u201d Hagerty recalls. \u201cSo we were out there, like, \u2018Hey, we\u2019re one of those bands, too!\u2019 We wanted success, but it had to be right, and real.\u201d<\/p>\n
A bidding war flared, and Herrema brokered a deal with Virgin worth $1.4 million. \u201cThe beauty of it was,\u201d she says, \u201cwe got to administer our own budget. They just had to send us the money when we asked.\u201d<\/p>\n
The label showed only mild concern when, for their \u201cstarter record\u201d, they hired producer David Briggs, the Topanga Canyon crazy who\u2019d helmed umpteen Neil Young albums. The resultant Thank You was their most accessible outing so far, its greasy groove finessed by a hot new band. Before recording in Memphis, they\u2019d been drilled at a rental house in remotest Virginia, where Jennifer and Neil were planning to move, far from drug connections.<\/p>\n
\u201cWe all lived together,\u201d says bassist Dan Brown, \u201cand we ate the same food. I read every book Neil had, and he read all mine. We played constantly. We were like [master science fiction writer] Robert A. Heinlein\u2019s Grok Mind. Briggs loved the band, which was a great validation.\u201d<\/p>\n
Though the album established Royal Trux transatlantically, shifting 50,000 copies, they put the brakes on any fast-tracking themselves. \u201cWe chose to tour Britain with Teenage Fanclub, instead of Bush,\u201d Hagerty says, \u201cbecause we thought that would be the lesser thing, but it still wasn\u2019t a good fit. We purposely wanted to be awkward and inappropriate.\u201d<\/p>\n
Back in Virginia, says Herrema, \u201cwe were like, \u2018Briggs is doing the next record,\u2019 and there was nothing Virgin could do. Briggs was saying, \u2018Don\u2019t go into another studio, we\u2019ll build one at your place.\u2019 He was such a bad-ass. I found us a house out in the woods, but a month before we were gonna start, Briggs\u2019s wife Bettina called. He\u2019d always had a bad back, but they found it was lung cancer. Then it was, \u2018We\u2019re gonna continue on, the exact way he said.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n
Once they started, however, Virgin hated advance tracks, not to mention the working title, Pol Pot Pie. The A&R who had signed them had taken a job as managing director elsewhere, the Spice Girls had taken off, and label priorities were changing. Virgin ultimately went through the motions of releasing the album, renamed Sweet Sixteen, but tellingly didn\u2019t bother to veto its unpalatable cover image, of a toilet bowl full of vomit.<\/p>\n
Weeks later, Virgin effectively paid them not to make another album, handing over a severance settlement of $300,000, says Herrema, \u00e0 la Malcolm McLaren in The Great Rock \u2019N\u2019 Roll Swindle, \u201cto just go away\u201d.<\/p>\n
Royal Trux duly returned to the indie sector with Drag City (US) and Domino (UK), and, says Hagerty, \u201cIn my mind, we were set for life. We\u2019d live in our house in the woods, and send out tapes every six months, like Can, in a state of constant creation.\u201d<\/p>\n
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THE WHEELS CAME OFF after only four years, just as your correspondent visited them at home in March 2000. \u2018The Ranch\u2019 was set on a wooded hillside near the Blue Ridge Mountains, a few miles from smalltown Washington, Virginia. Outside, a skull and crossbones drooped from a flagpole, and within, the couple\u2019s three cats scurried between the huge animal hides draped over walls and furnishings alike.<\/p>\n
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In keeping with their image as alt rock\u2019s wacko recluses par excellence, Hagerty and Herrema kept entirely opposite hours: he would sit up all night devouring novels, only to retire just as she was rising for the day. \u201cI always loved the sunshine,\u201d she shrugged, \u201cand he always loved the night.\u201d<\/p>\n
On our second morning there, the atmosphere had discernibly changed: Herrema was slurring and incoherent, and a huge argument kicked off when Hagerty discovered she\u2019d raided an emergency stash of barbiturates.<\/p>\n
\u201cWe\u2019d been living there six years and I didn\u2019t want to any more,\u201d says Herrema today. \u201cI didn\u2019t ever want to jeopardise Neil\u2019s sobriety, so I\u2019d play normal, but right when you visited, I got the call saying my dad had fallen out of a tree and broken his clavicle, and when he went into hospital, they found out he had cancer, and had three months to live.\u201d<\/p>\n
She\u2019d had wobbles before, but now she dramatically fell off the wagon, getting hooked on painkillers prescribed to her father. A month later, she went to Los Angeles to house-sit for Kiss guitarist Ace Frehley, and was arrested \u201cwhile driving his girlfriend around with a trunk full of GHB.\u201d<\/p>\n
There was a fraught European tour for that year\u2019s Pound For Pound, but they\u2019d only completed two dates on the American leg, when, says Hagerty, his other half \u201ccalled the emergency room in Minneapolis, saying she was dying, so she could get an ambulance to the hospital, and get on a morphine drip.\u201d<\/p>\n
Says Dan Brown, \u201cWe had an intervention in the hotel room, and we were fucking crying, man \u2013 we were concerned about her. She was just like, \u2018I don\u2019t wanna stop using.\u2019 So, Neil, Chris [Pyle, drummer] and I played the last show at 7th St Entry, and the next day we drove back to Virginia.\u201d<\/p>\n
Hagerty called time on both the band and the relationship. Complicating matters, a year earlier Herrema and Hagerty had actually married, somewhat prosaically, so that he could access her health insurance to get $20,000\u2019s worth of new teeth. This came to haunt Herrema, as Hagerty, fearing she was going to OD, turned up at the hotel she\u2019d shacked up in, to get her sent to a psychiatric hospital. \u201cI punched him in the face,\u201d she recalls, \u201cand he waved our marriage contract at me \u2013 in American law, a husband can control their spouse, so he got me committed. It wasn\u2019t a good time. (Long pause) We always knew there would come a time for separation, because Neil always wanted kids, and I always didn\u2019t want kids.\u201d<\/p>\n
In the divorce, she says, \u201cHe signed Royal Trux over to me, lock, stock and barrel. With Neil, it was an all-or-nothing proposition, and it didn\u2019t exist for him any more.\u201d<\/p>\n
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FOR THE NEXT DECADE\u00a0and a half, they lived entirely separate lives, she in LA\u2019s suburban Orange County, he in Denver, Colorado, where he has a wife and 10-year-old daughter. Hagerty\u2019s recordings with The Howling Hex often seemed vindictively to avoid Trux\u2019s astral riffage, while Herrema\u2019s more Trux-like outings as RTX and Black Bananas only lacked his extraordinary playing.<\/p>\n
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\u201cWe never spoke,\u201d she says, laughing admiringly at his single-mindedness. \u201cHe wrote me three e-mails in 12 years, to tell me when each of the cats had died.\u201d<\/p>\n
The next e-mail landed in 2012: Hagerty was involved in a conceptual live performance of Twin Infinitives in Brooklyn, and he contacted her, he says, \u201cbecause I had to make sure she knew I wasn\u2019t doing it to undermine her.\u201d<\/p>\n
\u201cThat was the first time I knew, he still believes in it,\u201d says Herrema, but there was no further dialogue until a \u201csubstantial\u201d offer came in to reunite for California\u2019s Berserktown \u201915 festival.<\/p>\n
\u201cI was mid-tour, and frankly felt I could do with the money,\u201d admits Hagerty. There followed 20-odd appearances, and, after a bad falling-out with Drag City over streaming rights, Herrema hustled a new deal with Fat Possum, the Oxford, Mississippi-based indie, whose roots were in documenting veteran bluesmen.<\/p>\n
\u201cIt got pretty tame around here, after R.L. Burnside and Junior Kimbrough passed away,\u201d says the label\u2019s maverick boss, Matthew Johnson. \u201cIndie rock is all dentists\u2019 kids these days, but with Neil and Jennifer, it\u2019s like doing a ski course that\u2019s way out of your league. You wouldn\u2019t be surprised if somebody said, \u2018Oh, their car just got hit by a meteor!\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n
Indeed, as MOJO watches Royal Trux fall apart before his very eyes \u2013 again! \u2013 the only question is how they stopped fighting long enough to finesse their comeback record, whatever it\u2019s ultimately called.<\/p>\n
Shrugs Hagerty, \u201cShe worked on some stuff, I worked on some stuff, then you throw it in a box and shake it up. That used to be in the same house, in the same room \u2013 now it\u2019s just using the internet. It\u2019s pretty cool, man. We send each other stuff and we\u2019re right on the same wavelength.\u201d<\/p>\n
With an engineer refereeing, they somehow got through two weeks\u2019 recording in California in June \u201918, but Hagerty claims not to have listened to any of the advance mixes e-mailed to him thereafter, or read any attendant messages. Miraculously, the album is a corker, delivering mangled riffs, yowling choruses and sublimely strange solos as if Y2K were but yesterday.<\/p>\n
The morning after our interviews \u2013 eventually conducted individually \u2013 a barrage of texts arrives from both parties. From Herrema: \u201cHow was your interview with him? Anything positive, or all bitter and bile? He\u2019s been e-mailing me, I\u2019m not responding. He can sit with his bullshit in silence awhile.\u201d<\/p>\n
A little later, from Hagerty: \u201cListen, I told Jennifer I said nasty stuff about her. Maybe in her hour of need you might soften some of my most thoughtless insults to her. She is unwell.\u201d<\/p>\n
By the time MOJO\u2019s plane touches down in London, however, there\u2019s been a d\u00e9tente.<\/p>\n
\u201cNeil is back and acting as if all was\/is peaches,\u201d writes Herrema. \u201cI went with it! I like peaches!\u201d<\/p>\n
For 30 years, Royal Trux have specialised in ripping rock\u2019n\u2019roll apart. Maybe their fighting is essential to the process. \u201cIf you took it away, I wonder what would be left,\u201d says Fat Possum\u2019s Matthew Johnson. \u201cThere\u2019s almost something sacred about it.\u201d<\/p>\n
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