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In 2013 the dark overlord of electronica returned to assume control of Nine Inch Nails once again. This time the “creepy addict behaviour” had been banished in favour of married life and tea time with the kids. \u201cIt’s not about me anymore,” said Trent Reznor, “I’m at my most unfiltered.”<\/p>\n
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IT IS JUST AFTER LUNCHTIME ON A PAINFULLY hot California day. We are inside a huge warehouse in Van Nuys, a nondescript district of Los Angeles. Trent Reznor is taking a break from rehearsing with the current live line-up of Nine Inch Nails. Even under the fluorescent tube light of a windowless storage area where we talk sitting at a shabby table, the 48-year-old looks tanned and well. He wears black boots, matching shorts and a plain green T-shirt. His hefty biceps suggest preparation for imminent touring commitments extend beyond merely tinkering with musical arrangements. \u201cThere\u2019s no better motivator than standing feeling naked in front of a bunch of people,\u201d he says. \u201cI\u2019m putting in a couple of hours of cardio every day. I wake up super early, I run and then I have a little circuit in my back yard. Just some weights and shit. Then I come here. So that\u2019s my exciting life.\u201d<\/p>\n
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Following a four-year break, Reznor is returning to Nine Inch Nails with an eighth studio album, Hesitation Marks. He had wanted to step away and test himself by tackling other projects, which included scoring 2011\u2019s Hollywood version of The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo. Reznor also recorded with How To Destroy Angels; this quartet featured his wife Mariqueen, with whom he has two young sons, Lazarus and Balthazar. Having worked on a soundtrack \u2013 where he was the subordinate \u2013 and within the democracy of a group, Reznor is now firmly back in charge.<\/p>\n
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\u201cI had been getting an itch to work on something that was more me in the forefront,\u201d he says. \u201cThere\u2019s part of me that was probably longing to be the dictator again. But after a couple of weeks of micro-managing every fucking molecule\u2026 I got what I asked for. It\u2019s a full plate.\u201d Reznor has recently found himself unexpectedly engaged in managing human resources, as in the past few months both bassist Eric Avery and guitarist Adrian Belew have left Nine Inch Nails.<\/p>\n
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\u201cIt really came down to chemistry,\u201d says Reznor. \u201cI\u2019m delicately addressing this matter because I wish it would have worked out but it just didn\u2019t. What\u2019s happened is for the best. As far as I\u2019m concerned there\u2019s no ill will there.\u201d<\/p>\n
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The burden of dictatorship has been slightly eased by Reznor\u2019s decision to get back into business with a major label. He had been independently \u2028releasing music on his own The Null Corporation imprint ever since leaving Interscope in 2007, but Hesitation Marks will be released through Columbia Records. \u201cIt\u2019s a one-album license,\u201d he says. \u201cI\u2019m not just saying this like the brainwashed guy that\u2019s reneging on\u2026 I found myself spending a lot of time thinking about marketing and worrying about if a record store in Prague had the product. It\u2019s shit I can do if I have to, but I\u2019d rather not.\u201d This deal also lends Nine Inch Nails enough promotional muscle to reach beyond Reznor\u2019s existing constituency.<\/p>\n
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\u201cArguably we could make more money \u2013 if that was the point of it \u2013 just satisfying the people we have and not sharing the pot,\u201d he explains. \u201cTo me that feels like death. If I see my name and \u2018nostalgia\u2019 too many times in the same sentence I\u2019m going to stop. When I\u2019m on-stage and I look out, generally I see youth. It doesn\u2019t look like I\u2019m at an Eagles concert yet.\u201d<\/p>\n
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REZNOR GREW UP IN THE TINY PENNSYLVANIA TOWN of Mercer. His parents split up soon after his younger sister, Tera, was born and he lived with his maternal grandparents from the age of five. Once he\u2019d moved in, his grandmother decided Trent should take piano lessons. \u201cPretty quickly I learned that work equals reward,\u201d he says. Reznor had a natural talent for the instrument and enjoyed the discipline of mastering a Mozart sonata until he could play it precisely without needing the sheet music.<\/p>\n
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\u201cOften there were competitions at the local college for different age groups,\u201d he says. \u201cI would win that. It felt good to have confidence and be able to know, Hey, I\u2019ve got this!\u201d<\/p>\n
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Reznor can\u2019t recall the first single that he bought but remembers sitting on the porch as a boy listening to Summer Breeze by Seals & Crofts. His father introduced him to Jimi Hendrix and the first Crosby Stills & Nash album, which he thought was excellent. \u201cI still listen to that fairly regularly,\u201d he says. \u201cEmbarrassingly regularly, actually.\u201d When Reznor was 12 he discovered Kiss through their 1975 albums Alive! and Dressed To Kill. \u201cI look at them as pivotal,\u201d he says. \u201cNot for the music so much. It seems kind of comical now but at the time it felt dangerous, like something your parents didn\u2019t want you to listen to.\u201d Reznor\u2019s father didn\u2019t share this enthusiasm for Kiss (\u201cHe kind of said, \u2018This shit sucks!\u2019\u201d) but he did indulge his son\u2019s rock fantasies by buying him a Wurlitzer electric piano.<\/p>\n
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\u201cRather than being a rigid kind of performer, I was excited by this rebelliousness, the larger than life characters and feeling free. The best spirit of rock is that sense that there are no rules. I was extracting that from Kiss and that electric piano.\u201d Gratifyingly, when he turned his piano up really loud the sound would distort.<\/p>\n
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As a teenager Reznor had a friend who played drums, so they\u2019d set up in his basement to play Smoke On The Water and old Tom Petty songs. His musical tastes developed to embrace Pink Floyd, The Clash, David Bowie and Prince, who he saw perform when the 1999 tour reached Pittsburgh in 1983. \u201cI was the white person in the audience,\u201d he notes. By the time he started playing in semi-serious bands Reznor had spent a year living 45 minutes away from home, studying computer engineering at Allegheny College. Here he was exposed to more esoteric acts such as XTC.<\/p>\n
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\u201cThere was that new wave synth explosion,\u201d he says. \u201cThe good stuff would have been The Human League. I think Thomas Dolby\u2019s first shit was cool at the time. Devo, I loved. That dribbled down to the Thompson Twins and some other stuff that hasn\u2019t weathered the storm so well.\u201d<\/p>\n
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Reznor was also fascinated by video games and amusement arcades. \u201cWhat I saw in that, and I still feel passionate about this, was taking technology and making art out of it. This art was in the form of entertainment that you couldn\u2019t have made five years ago, or even five months ago, and doing it in a way that was almost like a hooky song.\u201d<\/p>\n
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Using his journals to write confessional lyrics, Reznor applied these values to 1989\u2019s Pretty Hate Machine, the first album he made as Nine Inch Nails. \u201cIt was unfashionable \u2013 here, at least \u2013 to have synthesizers because grunge was just about to happen,\u201d he says. \u201cRetro type stuff. All that flannel-shirted bullshit.\u201d<\/p>\n
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Reznor\u2019s passion for all things futuristic does have its limits, as evidenced by his opinion that unlimited access to music means that a lot of people don\u2019t really seem to \u201ccherish\u201d it any more. He reasons that it took at least a dozen listens until he understood Talking Heads\u2019 1980 album, Remain In Light. With more than his meagre record collection to choose from he might well have given up on an album that he grew to love. That being said, Reznor is a realist and so he has collaborated with his old Interscope Records boss, Jimmy Iovine, in developing a forthcoming streaming subscription service for Dr. Dre\u2019s Beats brand. \u201cIt\u2019s like the best radio station ever but personalised for you and easy to use,\u201d he says. \u201cAnyway, that\u2019s what I do in my spare time.\u201d<\/p>\n
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The lengthy Reznor to-do list means even the most tempting job offers might be declined. Last year Josh Homme contacted him to see if he could do some production work on Queens Of The Stone Age\u2019s sixth album, \u2026Like Clockwork. Reznor was flattered but too busy, though he eventually guested on a couple of tracks. The two men had toured together in 2005 as Reznor clung to sobriety \u2013 he didn\u2019t do much socialising in those days. \u201cI spent a lot of time just isolated so I didn\u2019t get to know Josh that well,\u201d he says. \u201cSince then we keep crossing paths and we\u2019ve nurtured a respectful friendship.\u201d While Reznor was unavailable for studio employment, that initial conversation with Homme opened the door for dialogue of a more profound nature about their roles within an ever-changing industry.<\/p>\n
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\u201cWhat wound up being helpful \u2013 at least for me and I hope for him \u2013 was having some honest talks with someone that I really feel is a peer,\u201d says Reznor. \u201cI saw the same kind of fear in him that \u2028I experience. Without getting too intimate about what we were exactly talking about, you reach certain points in your career when you have to pause for a minute, which is sometimes hard, and say, \u2018Why am I doing this? Is this just the next thing that you\u2019re supposed to do? Is this fulfilling to me any more?\u2019 It was nice to see \u2026 well, it wasn\u2019t nice but it felt relatable\u2026 to see him experiencing a similar element of being unsure. I think being unsure can lead you into making better music. It\u2019s sometimes tough to be objective about who you are and how people see you as an entity. Does what I\u2019m saying have any relevance outside my own head? Questions. I don’t take take it for granted that everyone can\u2019t wait to hear the next thing I come up with. I was unsure while I was working on this record. When I finished it, then I started to feel this is fucking good.\u201d<\/p>\n
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HESITATION MARKS IS REZNOR\u2019S FIRST NINE INCH Nails album recorded as a married family man. \u201cThere\u2019s been a bunch of things that have changed,\u201d he says. \u201cMy grandfather and my mom died in the last few years. They raised me. But having kids unquestionably changed how I feel about things. I\u2019m in the picture but it\u2019s not about me any more; I\u2019m here for these dudes and I love them more than anything. My life until, probably, getting married was me at the top and whatever else happens is \u2028insignificant to some degree.\u201d Reznor explains that this harmonious domestic situation doesn\u2019t necessitate adopting a malcontent \u2028persona in order to perform as Nine Inch Nails (\u201cIt\u2019s not like I have to not eat for a day and make myself really pissed off to really get into the spirit of things\u201d) but admits that his prevailing mood will, of course, have a bearing on the music. \u201cI think this album is outwardly less brutal than anything I\u2019ve done,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n
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So is this record \u2013 trademark electro desolation with a title that refers to tentative self-harm using a razor blade \u2013 Reznor at his most happy-go-lucky? \u201cI didn\u2019t say that,\u201d he counters. \u201cI said I\u2019m at my most\u2026 unfiltered. What I have intentionally made a bit limiting about Nine Inch Nails is that it feels like it\u2019s under one umbrella of things. You can throw words in there to describe what that is and \u2018happy\u2019 is probably not one of them. Or \u2018carefree\u2019.\u201d Reznor returns to the theme of second-guessing how his music will be received. \u201cI\u2019ve spent a lot of time being concerned about what people think and hoping that it reaches the right critical response. In this day and age I have crossed the line into really not paying much attention to what\u2019s written about me, whether it be from people getting paid to do it or from the unwashed masses that feel the need to comment on everything that anyone does in the world. Who cares?\u201d<\/p>\n
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For the first 15 years of his career, Reznor cared very much indeed. He describes this period as \u201cscrutinising myself in the mirror of failure at every turn\u201d. The result was, rather less poetically, countless hours wasted in the service of \u201cdicking around\u201d. When it came to composing material, Reznor would see a blank piece of paper as something that must be filled by the best song ever written. No wonder he could always find something else to do. \u201cI let fear govern the process and slow it down,\u201d he says. \u201cI\u2019ve spent half of my time as Nine Inch Nails avoiding doing it because I was afraid that it was going to be shit.\u201d<\/p>\n
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Not coincidentally, this crippling self-doubt afflicted Reznor most acutely when his problems with narcotics and alcohol were at their peak. From the second Nine Inch Nails album, 1994\u2019s The Downward Spiral, up to The Fragile in 1999, he struggled to function as a musician while maintaining a fingertip hold on his sense of self. \u201cThere wasn\u2019t a lot of me left,\u201d he says.\u00a0 \u201cSo I\u2019d read about me and that became who I thought I was, in a way, and perpetuated kind of what\u2026 I don\u2019t know how to explain it better than that. I like The Fragile a lot now but it was hard to make, it was painful to make and it was a struggle to get through the cotton and the clutter. Could I have written better lyrics for that? Yes. If I could think, I could have.\u201d<\/p>\n
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The consequences of Reznor\u2019s unwholesome leisure activities would eventually prove near-fatal. In 2000 he mistook heroin for cocaine \u2013 his usual pick-me-up \u2013 and woke up in a London hospital having overdosed, which forced the cancellation of a show. A year later he cleaned up for good in New Orleans. \u201cI was sitting in a detox psychiatric ward where the door doesn\u2019t open,\u201d he says. \u201cHow did I get in here? That wasn\u2019t part of the plan.\u201d Contrary to his tortured public image, Reznor had always felt that he liked himself. Drugs changed that. \u201cThat was the worst thing,\u201d he says. \u201cI didn\u2019t trust myself. I was a liar. Creepy addict behaviour starts to take over. On top of that, my art was sucking. My ability to write was clouded.\u201d Having prioritised sobriety rather than trying to fit it in around his career, Reznor approached 2005\u2019s With Teeth, his first post-rehab album, with some trepidation.<\/p>\n
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\u201cDid I need to be high to come up with ideas?\u201d he wonders. \u201cBut when I got round to doing it the actual creation process became fun.\u201d Reznor accepted that not everything had to be perfect and it was fine to arrive at the finished article through trial and error. He also felt that he was no longer a liar. \u201cI said that I could get into a committed relationship and I have,\u201d he states. \u201cI said I wouldn\u2019t do something and I didn\u2019t. It could just be, \u2018I\u2019m not going to eat chocolate chip cookies today.\u2019 \u2028I can\u2019t say that I\u2019ve kept that promise but you know what I mean. Now I can trust myself.\u201d<\/p>\n
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Reznor is not proud of his debauched nadir but acknowledges that going through the intense counselling and self-examination of recovery \u2013 apart from achieving the primary goal of remaining alive \u2013 allowed him to face his character flaws, stop dodging problems and behave more like an adult. He says that it is also crucial for him to remember that, even after 12 years of abstinence, self-destruction is forever one drink away.<\/p>\n
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Perhaps it is the rehabilitation movement\u2019s code of truth that compels Reznor to be quite so blunt. We talk about what he has learned about himself having spent half of his life operating as Nine Inch Nails. Reznor begins by saying that he can\u2019t think of any glaring examples of where he has compromised his artistic integrity. Soon he is contemplating how he has altered as a person. \u201cI\u2019ve seen how external factors like fame can distort one\u2019s personality into monstrous things,\u201d he says. \u201cI\u2019d like to think, Hey, things didn\u2019t change me. Well, it did change me. I was an asshole to a lot of people for a while. I realised there was a resentful small-town person in there. I realised that I\u2019m not beyond being susceptible to forms of corruption. Spiritual corruption? All forms. You name it. But what I\u2019ve tried to keep pure is that vehicle of music; that place to take whatever\u2019s made me mean and funnel it into something that feels like pure work. It\u2019s the same as sitting at that piano when I was a kid, rehearsing endlessly and getting a reward back. That\u2019s the carrot.\u201d<\/p>\n
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Fame does, however, still come with the odd harmless perk. When Reznor began tightening up the material for Hesitation Marks he thought that it might be helpful to bounce some ideas around with an outside party, so he decided to see whether Lindsey Buckingham was free. \u201cI\u2019ve always thought he was one of the best guitar players, and kind of underrated too,\u201d says Reznor. \u201cNot to mention his great songwriting, his voice and every other fucking thing. I worked with him for a day at the Village Recorder, where Fleetwood Mac recorded Tusk. I don\u2019t think he\u2019d been back since then. He played on a few things; there were bones of certain songs that existed. As soon as he picks up his guitar I\u2019m in a room sitting three feet away from Lindsey Buckingham and he knew who I was. This is pretty fucking cool.\u201d<\/p>\n
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Buckingham only lives a couple of miles from Reznor\u2019s house. He hoped that they might become friends.<\/p>\n
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So did you and Lindsey keep in touch?<\/p>\n
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\u201cOf course not (laughs). No, we\u2019ve kept in touch but we haven\u2019t hung out much. He\u2019s been on tour.\u201d<\/p>\n
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Reznor has his own live shows \u2013 the imminent Tension Tour \u2013 to get ready for and so, at just after three o\u2019clock, he must join his band for practice. \u201cI haven\u2019t done an interview for \u2028a little while so I feel semi-violated,\u201d he concludes. \u201cIt\u2019s not every day that I end up talking about the worst parts of my life.\u201d Reznor shrugs, \u201cI\u2019ll get over it.\u201d\u00a0 The delivery is deadpan but discussing that damaged mastermind phase doesn\u2019t really seem to cause him any discomfort, almost as if it all happened to an entirely different person. Later this afternoon Reznor is even meeting someone for a drink, albeit not the kind that guarantees immediate and utter meltdown. His elder son has been given a toy kitchen and is exceedingly keen to play at making tea with dad. \u201cI don\u2019t know how he got into tea,\u201d says Reznor. \u201cBut there will be tea before bedtime.\u201d<\/p>\n
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